The Chronicles of Loth page 15 chapter 8

Thursday, the 22nd of September at 11:00 PM, 2011 in A Tale of Desdian
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The Chronicles of Loth page 15 chapter 8

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EFlint Thursday, the 22nd of September at 11:00 PM, 2011 edit delete
EFlint
Alright I'm just going to say this right of the top, We here at Lothonline.com and Proper F DO NOT condone, advocate, and in any way support rape. This is a fictional story and comic, so please before anybody knee-jerks a post, just take a deep breath. He's a bad guy, he does bad things, We don't want anybody in real life raped. Thanks for understanding.

Comments:

Saifran Friday, the 23rd of September at 12:06 AM, 2011 edit delete reply
Well, since it's fictional rape, so long as he fictionally dies horribly, I think we can get along. You're welcome!
Me2 Friday, the 23rd of September at 12:23 AM, 2011 edit delete reply
I think if Loth and Ral have their way, he may soon be wishing for a horrible death. Also, not to be the spelling police, but there's an R missing from trophies in panel 2.
mirlinthloth Friday, the 23rd of September at 8:00 AM, 2011 edit delete reply
mirlinthloth
Also by the way... Help us out with the Donations. We've noticed Terra isn't getting much love. What do you guys wanna pay 3 bucks for.
If we get enough people saying something I'll twist the artist's wrist into making it happen... unless it's Rape. We don't condone rape in any forms... actually let me just say as long as it doesn't break any laws. Or is like loli and shota... that stuffs just not going to happen.
So... yeah no law breaking acts with our fictional characters in our fictional universe in our fictional webcomic. I'd hate for people to get the wrong idea.
Uhl Friday, the 23rd of September at 12:47 PM, 2011 edit delete reply
Don't worry. Yours is not the first webcomic I've come across that deals with rapists. I doubt it will be the last. The most recent "Goblins" had the rapist die in a bar brawl where he got set on fire with some very flammable Dwarf oil and then stabbed to death by his favorite "pet."

As for Manga being "poor quality," yes there is poor manga art, but the majority of MATURE audiences will find seriously engaging content with excellent art. Most drawn "western" story art tends to go comic books or children stories. Most UNimpressive.
R Reyes Friday, the 23rd of September at 1:11 PM, 2011 edit delete reply
hmmmm on this page he ral looks like an old man here but oh i dint spect loth defending everyone
nameless Friday, the 23rd of September at 4:20 PM, 2011 edit delete reply
acutly guest one despite lack of a specific plotline there is much character developement going on. They may not great chronology here but thats not nesisry there fantasy world is play out like it actulay hapaning on a day to day experince of the characters which dousn't need a coherent chronology. Two we see aspects of each character personality even the minor chracters have personalities that are expresed. I also agree with loth it's best to show more then tell. The best books rarely explain the situation.
crzymnky666 Saturday, the 24th of September at 12:37 AM, 2011 edit delete reply
ftr loth, i gave you monies because i appreciate the hardship you and eflint have endured to bring me humor, and not so much the boobs. hence, i requested the battle scene for the donation wallpaper.

also, yeah, its easy to talk smack about this comic. it has seemed a bit rushed for a while, as if you are forcing the plot along. remember, you try that in dnd, you get dice thrown at you. not to mention the whole "loth has no pants" debate that has been going strong since beldieb. and yes folks, that counts as the no pants comment for this page.

and now for my comment that i was planning to make before i read all the comments:

1 love loth's face in the last panel, she looks at him like she thinks she could beat him senseless. also, since we dont see a full body shot of her, i am assuming she is still not wearing pants.
Deo Saturday, the 24th of September at 10:39 AM, 2011 edit delete reply
Well, i got an idea of how you can give the basic facts about each one. Why you don't make wallpapers bios about them? That way you don't need to feel obliged to place lots of background stories in the story.
nameless Saturday, the 24th of September at 10:54 AM, 2011 edit delete reply
Wel Loth, Eflint I thik you being too hard on your selves. You taken an adventure story and turned into a daily lives of the chracers story and I find that ausome
ComicHero Saturday, the 24th of September at 3:08 PM, 2011 edit delete reply
Awwww Eflint i was just going to suggest you know the bad guy get raped by an elephant or somthing
groovechampion Saturday, the 24th of September at 7:50 PM, 2011 edit delete reply
Btw, Loth, you got mail(note) at FA ;D if you havent read it yet.


Very sorry for wall of text.

Wall of text warning.

Comic first:
- Indeed, Ral's face has changed. :) The wrinkles under his eyes make him look very old. Was this intentional? As is in he's been using too much magic plus zero recuperation(spelling) and is exhausted?

- point 2, I find it a decent plot about about the family crest/insignias. It shows that it is something serious for the elven society and this big guy here has everything that shows that he is seriously evil. I would love to hear more background on the elven crest concept by the way.

- point 3 about the rape stuff. Agreed that it is a bad thing (duh) and the disclaimer is by all means neccessary, however, I find that the artist + writer don't need to be blathered for that topic as they just wrote that this is entirely plot-specific.
Also, this is a (somewhat) nsfw + Rated R + adult story to a point, so people should know what they are up for without trolling :).
Additionally, I find it a very good aspect for the badguy. No I don't support rape either, ;P, but it really shows that he is a violent adversary who "harrassed" Ral's bloodline and also doesn't give a damn about what you think.
Furthermore, this shows that they are living in a violent world.
This ain't Kansas, Dorothy.

I REALLY REALLY endorse to see more of such aspects. There may be good, but there is also bad and I seriously hate it when things just get toned down for no plausible reason.

- I, too, think you are a bit harsh on yourself(or yourselves) - and I am saying this as a neutral, not as some fanboi.
As stated, putting a comic together with reallife in the way as such and even that on the web, it is not easy. Things have to be cut down.

I must however also agree that there are jumpy moments, but you are aware of it already so why kick a living horse ;). After all, this is a comic.
A picture may say a thousands words but by all means, if people find there are too many plotholes and bouncy plots - ask Loth the writer for the book if it exists. :)

I must confess that I also had a moment alike mr."Guest" - after missing a few updates earlier, I was wondering how they
bounced around to places and that so fast.

But to the story's defense, RPG rolls like that sometimes too. You bounce.
Heck, that happened in my D&D'ish round even twice. We went to a bar, some random drunk dude gropes the elven woman in my group, rolls the d20 for a punch -- Bam, trouble, dude dies to some bizarre cranial crunch-punch. We ended up running as the town guards started hunting us for some kind of murder lol.
Cade starting trouble is just something like that ^^ (in a smaller scale).

And of couse, there are some char plotholes. I hope I am not talking crap and missed something, but we didn't hear more of Loth's toy and her rose (or why they mean so much -- again, I hope I did not miss anything °,,,° if I did sorry).
However, Loth(the writer) stated that there is a plan going on and even if it doesn't resolve, I'm just happy to have something to look at on friday.

Plotholes and all the stuff "Guest" said is something that is not easy to control.
Having tons of panels about Char dev A and B etc is just as tedious as what some may see too "skim".
So it is already hard enough for the artist to crunch it all into a single page and build in panels in a smart way. Damn, I can't even do that just now.



Actually, it is pretty much my problem when writing fanfics - character development and "even the best equalization in char dev and action/plot/etc" will make a wall of text like what I am writing right now. It just keeps growing and only the strong who can withstand eyecancer while reading will stick along (and it is like, 3 people from what I know lol).

So to sum it up, you are doing it well. It is not OPTIMAL of course but if you ask me, it is better this way.

And no, this is not "LEEEAVE BRITNEY ALLOOOOONEEE" ;D moment
Bob Saturday, the 24th of September at 11:35 PM, 2011 edit delete reply
@groovechampion

In regards to the toy and the rose i would think that their important to Loth as reminders of her childhood/mother who died very early on. They're keepsakes.

On topic with the latest update. So this dude raped Ral's mum and sister? Nasty.

To anyone a bit confused in terms of plot or characters or whatever you could always try reading the wiki. It's actually quite informative.
groovechampion Saturday, the 24th of September at 11:59 PM, 2011 edit delete reply
Yeah, I second that about the wiki.

This bad guy even has an entry there, at the denizen section, iirc.
J Sunday, the 25th of September at 12:01 PM, 2011 edit delete reply
Whatever happened to the old adage "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all?" Whether or not the criticisms are deserved, one would think there would still be some room for decorum.
thatoneguy Sunday, the 25th of September at 1:25 PM, 2011 edit delete reply
If you're looking to avoid Cliche's go back to reading ancient greek manuscripts and the like. Cause everything's a cliche now, can't get away from it. Trying not to be a cliche is a cliche. Saying their motiviations are cliche doesn't make them any less motivating for these characters.
Stormhawk Sunday, the 25th of September at 1:44 PM, 2011 edit delete reply
You know, long time ago, in a bar fight in a country far, far away, I had one of those "Or What?" moments. He was huge, I am best described as a stocky hobbit, and he had just bounced a sweet young thing off a wall and was about to hit her for fun again when I told him to stop. Then came the classic, and as expected, up close and personal, "Or What?" I told him, "Look straight down." Take a wild guess where my Ka-bar was.

Then fun and hilarity ensued which ended in him getting his butt kicked by a midget, the madame of the house (when she finally showed up), and a collection of the "ladies". I got a broken nose and had to out run the local version of the shore patrol. I heard they got a new bouncer and the bully boy never came back.

The moral of this story? Never ask "Or What" cause some day, when you least expect it, someone's going to show you, either with a knife, or a gun, or a pair of pliers (don't ask, you don't want to know) exactly the "what".
groovechampion Sunday, the 25th of September at 8:14 PM, 2011 edit delete reply
No need for anti-trolling m8s. Not that I'm backseat moderating here, just saying there is no reason to be tense.

"Guest" is stating opinions. Granted, he/she may sound a bit aggressive but that's what this board is for.
Loth said to keep it civil after all.

Regarding "Spiritual Journey", while it soudns cliché, I don't think there is much you can do with a spiritual Monk. Monks would normally hang out at shrines. If you see one outside, it is likely that it has to do with something spiritual. I fear that is something that one cannot avoid.

Anyhow, for the entire comic to be "totally awesome" it would have to involve a lot more stress of truly fleshing out every single panel.
A good comic doesn't have to contain ultimate perfection either.

I agree (as before), the plot does get bouncy but at least it is flowing normal. =)
Guest Monday, the 26th of September at 2:55 PM, 2011 edit delete reply
You know, I think I've been kind of a jerk, I apologize for all that stuff I've said on this page. I really like this comic, and again I'm sorry.
Guest Tuesday, the 27th of September at 8:58 AM, 2011 edit delete reply
I'm not the same Guest as the one who posted on Monday, the 26th of September at 3:55 PM, 2011.

This guest is not sorry, nor does he have to be.
Guest Tuesday, the 27th of September at 12:10 PM, 2011 edit delete reply
Hey man stop trying to make me look bad, its just childish
kemanorel Tuesday, the 27th of September at 12:28 PM, 2011 edit delete reply
Ral's sister? Has this guy ever seen Ral's sister? From the comments about the wiki, he's Ral's dad so he got the crest from Ral's mother.
nameless Tuesday, the 27th of September at 3:32 PM, 2011 edit delete reply
@ kemanorel: ah but Ral dosen't know that
Guest Tuesday, the 27th of September at 3:40 PM, 2011 edit delete reply
There has to be a way to telling one Guest from another Guest. This guest is not sorry for something, but the other one is.
Guest Tuesday, the 27th of September at 5:41 PM, 2011 edit delete reply
I'm the real guest, he's the imposter
nameless Tuesday, the 27th of September at 9:27 PM, 2011 edit delete reply
Ok for the sake of solving your problem and to end my confusion how about one of you chose a difforent handle or change names slightly like change in capiliztion or adding a number becuas I swere this is the same as two anonimouses arguing with each other
groovechampion Wednesday, the 28th of September at 2:20 AM, 2011 edit delete reply
I would suggest at this point (to the site admin) to enforce login for comments. This would prevent equal naming or the confusion - which is common on anonymous comment-systems. :)

""Ral's sister? Has this guy ever seen Ral's sister? From the comments about the wiki, he's Ral's dad so he got the crest from Ral's mother. ""

Might be that the wiki spoiled a bit m8. it "COULD" be that he didn't quite notice who he laid so long ago, as hinted in one of the panels.
I think we are heading to a small twist that Ral is about to figure that this guy is his dad.
If you read the wiki entry on Ral's mother, this could be the case... ^^
realguest Wednesday, the 28th of September at 8:55 AM, 2011 edit delete reply
I'll just use this title for now, then.
realguest Wednesday, the 28th of September at 10:27 AM, 2011 edit delete reply
Seriously, I apologize for being a jackass.
That One Guy Wednesday, the 28th of September at 10:51 AM, 2011 edit delete reply
That One Guy
Alright, seriously, this is gettin' annoyin'.
Just everyone ignore the trolls. Or disable anon comments.
I just signed up it takes 5 minutes.
realguest Wednesday, the 28th of September at 11:37 AM, 2011 edit delete reply
Someone is clearly faking my "identity", and is copying my name for this. I really should register, then.

And no, I never apologized for anything.
EFlint Wednesday, the 28th of September at 12:44 PM, 2011 edit delete reply
EFlint
Yes it seems some people are abusing the anonymity of comment system, we might have to make it so only signed in people can comment, as much as I don't want to do that. Also, yes Ral is tired from over-casting, I was trying to draw him with a light sweat. And further, We've read your suggestions and are working on something that while hopefully clarify somethings.
groovechampion Wednesday, the 28th of September at 2:35 PM, 2011 edit delete reply
Awesome, EFlint :)!

Oh I forgot that Ral had done that telekinesis-spell that sucked his stamina.

Come to think of it, we are actually witnessing some character development; provided there will be a resolve of things this friday.

I can't wait °w°